Both Rudbeckia

Rudbeckia hirta vs Rudbeckia triloba

These two are not on this page because a keyword tool suggested them. They are here because our own identification model genuinely mistook one for the other, on real photographs, 5 times. We publish the rate, and then we tell you what actually separates them.

Confused 5x by our model Same genus Rudbeckia Method published

Side by sidefigs. a and b

Rudbeckia hirta, photographed by Ryan Sorrells
fig. a Ryan Sorrells, CC BY 4.0

Rudbeckia hirta

black-eyed Susan
Rudbeckia triloba, photographed by Jason Swanson
fig. b Jason Swanson, CC0 1.0

Rudbeckia triloba

brown-eyed Susan

How often our model gets it wrong measured, not estimated

When the plant was The model said How often
Rudbeckia triloba Rudbeckia hirta 5 of 20 (25%)

Measured on 38,299 openly licensed, research-grade photographs. Full method and dataset.

What actually separates themon the record

Family Both Asteraceae. The family does not separate them.
Genus Both Rudbeckia. Congeners, which is why this is hard.
Flowering Peaks in July versus August. If the plant is in flower, timing helps. (n = 21,866 and 6,011.)

What we do not have yet: the diagnostic morphological character that a botanist would key on, from a source we can cite. We are not going to invent one. Until we have it, this page tells you the two are genuinely confusable, how often, and what the taxonomy and the flowering data do and do not settle.

Both recordsfull pages