Both Cirsium

Cirsium texanum vs Cirsium vulgare

These two are not on this page because a keyword tool suggested them. They are here because our own identification model genuinely mistook one for the other, on real photographs, 4 times. We publish the rate, and then we tell you what actually separates them.

Confused 4x by our model Same genus Cirsium Method published

Side by sidefigs. a and b

Cirsium texanum, photographed by Annika Lindqvist
fig. a Annika Lindqvist, CC BY 4.0

Cirsium texanum

Texas Thistle
Cirsium vulgare, photographed by Alex
fig. b Alex, CC BY 4.0

Cirsium vulgare

Bull Thistle

How often our model gets it wrong measured, not estimated

When the plant was The model said How often
Cirsium texanum Cirsium vulgare 4 of 19 (21%)

The confusion runs one way only. The model mistakes Cirsium texanum for Cirsium vulgare, but not the reverse.

Measured on 38,299 openly licensed, research-grade photographs. Full method and dataset.

What actually separates themon the record

Family Both Asteraceae. The family does not separate them.
Genus Both Cirsium. Congeners, which is why this is hard.
Flowering Peaks in May versus August. If the plant is in flower, timing helps. (n = 2,351 and 10,162.)

What we do not have yet: the diagnostic morphological character that a botanist would key on, from a source we can cite. We are not going to invent one. Until we have it, this page tells you the two are genuinely confusable, how often, and what the taxonomy and the flowering data do and do not settle.

Both recordsfull pages